{"id":837,"date":"2010-05-19T10:58:02","date_gmt":"2010-05-19T17:58:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/?p=837"},"modified":"2010-05-19T11:04:16","modified_gmt":"2010-05-19T18:04:16","slug":"lutherans-hands-off-%e2%80%93-again","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/?p=837","title":{"rendered":"Lutherans: Hands Off \u2013 Again"},"content":{"rendered":"

Remember how three ELCA bishops were present at the Feb 13th<\/sup> ordination\/consecration of the new Episcopal Bishop of Minnesota but did not lay-on-hands[1]<\/a> (see here<\/a> and here<\/a>)? — despite CCM \u00b6 12:<\/p>\n

\u201c\u2026 [B]oth churches \u2026 promise to include regularly<\/strong> one or more bishops of the other church to participate in the laying-on-of-hands at the ordinations\/installations of their own bishops\u2026.\u201d[2]<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The exclusion of ELCA bishops in the laying-on-of-hands at the Minnesota consecration wasn\u2019t a fluke. It has happened again on May 15, 2010. ELCA Bishops Dean Nelson<\/strong> (SW California Synod) and Murray Finck<\/strong> (Pacifica Synod) were present at the ordination\/consecration<\/a> of Episcopal bishops Mary Glasspool and Diane Bruce at Long Beach Arena, Los Angeles, but Nelson and Finck did not participate in the laying-on-of-hands.<\/p>\n

Remember what CCM \u00b6 12 gives with one hand, CCM \u00b6 14 takes away with the other:<\/p>\n

\u201cFor the <\/em>Evangelical<\/em> <\/em>Lutheran<\/em> <\/em>Church<\/em> in <\/em>America<\/em> \u2026 full communion \u2026 will be realized at this time. For The Episcopal Church<\/strong>, full communion, although begun at the same time, will not be fully realized<\/strong> until<\/strong> both churches determine that in the context of a common life and mission there is a shared ministry of bishops in the historic episcopate.\u201d<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

In Episcopal eyes ELCA bishops aren\u2019t kosher. <\/strong>Sacramental ordination of all ELCA bishops trumps even the gay issue.<\/p>\n

The Episcopal Church will not declare full communion is \u201cfully realized\u201d until all ELCA bishops have been hooked up to the Episcopal pipeline.<\/strong> Until then, it\u2019s Lutherans: Hands off!<\/p>\n

In contrast, at the ordination\/consecration (falsely-named \u201cinstallation\u201d) of new ELCA bishops, an Episcopal bishop, without exception<\/strong>, joins in the actual laying-on-of-hands and invoking the Holy Spirit \u2013 as required<\/strong> by the change made to the ELCA Constitution in 1999.[3]<\/a><\/p>\n

Who can pretend that nothing has really changed for the ELCA by agreeing to unity with the Episcopal Church on its terms!<\/p>\n

CCM is a one-way street.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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[1]<\/a> The three ELCA bishops were Peter Rogness<\/strong> (St. Paul Area), Harold Usgaard<\/strong> (Southeastern Minnesota), and Larry Wohlrabe<\/strong> (Northwestern Minnesota).
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[2]<\/a>More of CCM \u00b6 12: \u201cAs a result of their agreement in faith and in testimony of their full communion with one another, both churches<\/strong> now make the following commitment to share an Episcopal succession that is both evangelical and historic. They promise to include regularly<\/strong> one or more bishops of the other church to participate in the laying-on-of-hands<\/strong> at the ordinations\/installations of their own bishops as a sign, though not a guarantee, of the unity and apostolic continuity of the whole church.\u201d<\/p>\n

[3]<\/a>ELCA Constitution \u00b610.81.01.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Remember how three ELCA bishops were present at the Feb 13th ordination\/consecration of the new Episcopal Bishop of Minnesota but did not lay-on-hands[1] (see here and here)? — despite CCM \u00b6 12: \u201c\u2026 [B]oth churches \u2026 promise to include regularly one or more bishops of the other church to participate in the laying-on-of-hands at the […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-837","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/837","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=837"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/837\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":844,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/837\/revisions\/844"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=837"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=837"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=837"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}