{"id":1592,"date":"2011-12-02T13:25:51","date_gmt":"2011-12-02T20:25:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/?p=1592"},"modified":"2011-12-02T13:25:51","modified_gmt":"2011-12-02T20:25:51","slug":"forde-got-out-of-biblicism-you-can-too-%e2%80%93-13","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/?p=1592","title":{"rendered":"Forde got out of Biblicism; you can, too \u2013 13"},"content":{"rendered":"

The Bible says: \u201cRepent and believe in the gospel.\u201d[1]<\/a> Does that mean that Forde was wrong? Does that mean that salvation is mostly God\u2019s doing and partly ours?<\/p>\n

Forde writes:<\/p>\n

\u201c\u2018We have to do something, don\u2019t we?\u2019<\/strong> \u2013 that is the pious sounding cry. Rather than face the question of death and life, we hope to get by with a little something! As Luther remarked, this kind of semi-Pelagianism is worse<\/strong> than full-blown Pelagianism.\u201d[2]<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Luther knew that one could use a text like Mark 1:15 against Christ, that is, in favor of saying salvation is 99% what Christ does and 1% what we do \u2013 repent and believe.<\/p>\n

As Luther points out again and again, infants have faith, which is no surprise because in baptism God snatches us[3]<\/a> in spite of ourselves.<\/p>\n


[1]<\/a>Mark 1:15.<\/p>\n

[2]<\/a> Gerhard Forde, Theology is for Proclamation <\/em>(Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 1990) 142; emphasis added. See also Forde: \u201cIt is interesting \u2013 and significant \u2013 that Luther could see much more validity in out-right Pelagianism than he could in semi-Pelagianism of the so-called Christian humanists. At least, he said, the Pelagians believed that man could and should apply himself with his whole<\/em> being<\/em> to the pursuit of salvation, where the semi-Pelagians seem to think it could be gained for a pittance \u2013 exercising that little bit of ability supposedly left in man<\/strong>,\u201d in Where God Meets Man, <\/em>p. 51 by Forde; italics in the text; bolding added.<\/p>\n

Luther: \u201cThese friends of ours, however, though they believe and teach the same, make dupes of us with deceptive words and a false pretense, as if they dissented from the Pelagians, though this is the last thing they do; so that if you go by their hypocrisy, they seem to be the bitterest foes of the Pelagians, while if you look at the facts and their real opinion, they themselves are Pelagians double-dyed\u201d (LW <\/em>35:328).<\/p>\n

[3]<\/a> See Luther: \u201c[E]ven if infants did not believe \u2013 which, however, is not the case, as we have proved \u2013 still their Baptism would be valid and no one should rebaptize them…\u201d Large Catechism, Baptism, #55, BC <\/em>443.<\/p>\n

In baptism the infant receives the Holy Spirit (SC, Baptism #10, BC <\/em>349), who, of course, cannot be quantified as if the infant only receives a portion of the Holy Spirit or a kick-start. Nor, again of course, does baptism depend on a \u201cdecision\u201d made by the infant. Some also misunderstand the metaphor \u201cgift\u201d (e.g., Romans 3:24) to imply that what God does in baptism is a \u201cgift\u201d that has to be \u201caccepted\u201d even though the context (Romans 3:19-23) does not allow such a misunderstanding.<\/p>\n

\u201c[W]hat a great and excellent thing Baptism is, which snatches us<\/strong> from the jaws of the devil\u2026\u201d LC,<\/em> Baptism, #83; BC<\/em> 446, emphasis added.<\/p>\n

\u201cI believe that by my own reason or strength I cannot believe in Jesus Christ, my Lord, or come to him\u201d Small Catechism, Creed, Third Article, #6; BC <\/em>345.<\/p>\n

See also John 6:44: \u201cNo one comes to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.\u201d And John 6:65, 15:16, Eph 1:4.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

The Bible says: \u201cRepent and believe in the gospel.\u201d[1] Does that mean that Forde was wrong? Does that mean that salvation is mostly God\u2019s doing and partly ours? Forde writes: \u201c\u2018We have to do something, don\u2019t we?\u2019 \u2013 that is the pious sounding cry. Rather than face the question of death and life, we hope […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1592","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1592","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1592"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1592\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1593,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1592\/revisions\/1593"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1592"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1592"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1592"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}