{"id":1370,"date":"2011-01-23T15:59:43","date_gmt":"2011-01-23T22:59:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/?page_id=1370"},"modified":"2011-01-23T16:07:37","modified_gmt":"2011-01-23T23:07:37","slug":"ccm-10-years-out-elca-hooked-but-not-landed-5","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/?page_id=1370","title":{"rendered":"CCM 10 years out: ELCA hooked but not landed"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><b>Page 5<\/b><br \/><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"dot_clear.gif\" width=\"1\" height=\"6\"><\/p>\n<p><strong>an ontological change<\/strong> which, like infant baptism, doesn\u2019t depend on personal belief.<strong> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The ELCA may change incrementally to bishops-for-life by dropping term limits for bishops as the Eastern Washington-Idaho Synod did in 2010.<\/p>\n<p><strong>You don\u2019t have to believe it; you just have to do it \u2013 <\/strong>was the infamous advice of Martin Marty to Lutherans about taking on the historic episcopate as a permanent future structure. To be sure, Episcopalians want Lutherans to <strong>do it and believe it<\/strong>, but they also know that having hooked the ELCA into changing its constitution so that the historic episcopate is permanently <strong>required,<\/strong> it\u2019s only a matter of time, a generation at most, before Lutherans will do it and believe it.<a href=\"#_ftn17\">[17]<\/a><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"dot_clear.gif\" width=\"1\" height=\"6\"><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref17\">[17]<\/a> \u201cI believe that once the Episcopate is gotten right, then <strong>everything eventually will fall into place<\/strong>,\u201d Episcopal Bishop Harry Shipps, July 7, 2000, EC General Convention, quote from page 7 of  the transcript (emphasis added). Read it <a href=\"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/2006\/houseofbishops.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Page 5 an ontological change which, like infant baptism, doesn\u2019t depend on personal belief. The ELCA may change incrementally to bishops-for-life by dropping term limits for bishops as the Eastern Washington-Idaho Synod did in 2010. You don\u2019t have to believe it; you just have to do it \u2013 was the infamous advice of Martin Marty [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":30,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-1370","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/1370","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1370"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/1370\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1378,"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/1370\/revisions\/1378"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/crossalone.us\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1370"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}